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Ridgway is another scumbag who will never adequately pay for his crimes, that is unless he gets tied to some murders here in Portland. Of the 9 people you mention, one of them says Whitson was there. Yeah everything's okay, just some stuff I've gotta get thru. Extracting Reeve Whitson from this fermentan agent of actual chaos working hard in the shadows of Bugliosi's drug-crazed Helter Skelter psychodramaconstitutes a heroic act of sleuthing.. He saw Reeve later that night.Since Reeve Whitson was at the house the night before the murders, when was he there? I'm pretty sure the last time Doris was in the house was for the watching of the moon landing but I do remember her saying it was there though I highly doubt it was upside down like the pics from Aug 9 show, I can't imagine that would be too cool with Col Paul lol, Just as a general statement regarding the killers you have to take into account that BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION they took HUNDREDS of trips on hallucinogenic drugs in addition to smoking marijuana daily, these people are bound to forget various things that most look at as things that are mere footnotes such as what piece of furniture was where, who said what first, where the flag was, what time it was, etc, etc. In January the actual mechanics of HS were barely formulated in Charlie's mind. I wonder where Moorehouse got a baby grand. Thus some tainted drug had to be given to them. ), Whitsons wife (not exactly an objective witness), Linda Ruby a cousin of Whitsons (again, not objective), 2 detectives working on the TLB case who are desperate to find ANY motive in a case that appears to have none EXCEPT drugs and robbery, and a British film director claiming Whitson had "very good connections with LASO" along with thousands of other people in LA, If the FBI or CIA allowed the murders of 5 adults and one full term unborn baby to happen while supposedly surveilling the scene there would be an uprising in this country the likes of which haven't been seen since the Civil War. The LAPD wanted to tie the murders to drug dealers who might have had a motive for murdering Frykowski. What kind of honest, upstanding man does that with his daughter?If you want to point fingers at child molesters, go ahead, but I think a special finger should be pointed at a father who farms his own daughter out to child molesters!! C'mon Grim, you know betterThe big reveal was that Danny DeCarlo "ratted out" the Manson crew which was against the biker code.But that has been public knowledge since September 1970.And no, I don't know better. Then Ashley explores mystery man Reeve Whitson and his connection to the case, before taking a closer look at the operations conducted by the CIA and FBI in the Los Angeles and San Francisco areas during the 1960s. He was driving a VW van. "Put yourself in my position. . He didn't "bring" Hatami. None of us would have even known the registrations were mixed up. I saw footage of Manson the other day claiming he'd gone up to the Tate house before Chapman arrived to "see what my children had done." %PDF-1.7 % Chapter 11 - Mind Control; Chapter 10 - The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic; Chapter 9 - Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card; Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap; Chapter 7 - Neutralizing the Left; Chapter 6 - Who Was . Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties; Prologue (Video) Epilogue; Chapter 12 - Where Does It All Go? Even Sharon Tate's father, Paul Tate, was a former Colonel in Military Intelligence and conducted his own investigation. Whenever I went over to Sharon's and I'd see the flag there, I'd tell her it wasn't right. Chaos reads like a bad spy novel CIA spooks MK Ultra Manchurian candidates really just ridiculousEven the interesting parts such as why Manson's parole was never revoked after all of his arrests for some fairly serious crimes went nowhere we've all heard this before I was hoping maybe the reasons would finally be expained but never where don't waste your money there's plenty of really good book's on the subject I believe my collection on the subject is right around 30 books, The craziest thing is 30 books is just the tip of the iceberg, I'd bet if one of the real experts in the TLB community sat down for a few hours and listed them there would be at least 150, if you added magazine articles, movies, TV specials, musical recordings, podcasts, you'd be at 1000 or more. When I learn of Bittaker's death 'I am going to party like it's 1999." Chapter 11 - Mind Control; Chapter 10 - The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic; Chapter 9 - Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card; Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap; Chapter 7 - Neutralizing the Left; Chapter 6 - Who Was . 2.2K 327 EntertainmentNo1123 5 days ago According to Statman's book (I think that's where I read it), Doris told Sharon to get rid of that flag because if Paul Tate saw it he'd hit the roof. Winifred Chapman claims the flag was there so either you take the word of a murderess or the flag was on the couch when Chapman left on Friday afternoon and then put back by whoever went back to the scene, perdonallp I believe it was there and Krenwinkels goofy ass didn't notice it or just plain lied, like Harold True said "Krenwinkel carries her brains in a lunchbox" lol. Of the 9 people you mention, one of them says Whitson was there. What does that prove ? On the night of the murders, he'd been there and left. It's much more factual than Helter Skelter. That just sounds funny. He's interesting because he's made up or at least his story is, it's a figment of someone's imagination, I laughed just as hard at this as I did at David Berkowitzs claim of his neighbors dog telling him to kill lol. [3] During World War II he enlisted in the . Either way it's impressive. Lotus, Brabham, McLaren, Cooper and a few others joined, but the venture failed because Whitson . Has anyone ever heard of it?Yes, excerps were in the book by Alyssa Statman and Bree Tate. They might have even overcome such dimunitive females as Susan and Katie. The instance of the book saying that Dean Moorehouse lived at Cielo is unforgivable because it is errantly misleading, pure and simple. Red sold drugs in L. Canyon and knew Manson, Zappa, Yarrow, Cass, Tate, Polanski, and the rest of the musicians well. And, if you look at the police reports, there are those who claim to have heard male voices outside hours after Watson, et al. He was not very intelligent an IQ around 85 he was a savant to murder instinctively knew how to kill and get rid of bodies. That is assuming I outlive him. So I think, like Mon says, the flag was there and Krenwinkel either didn't notice it or was was lying. Along with Zamora's book {of whom he is highly critical} and John Baer's wife's book, it is gold dust for seeing the jury's perspective. When they got to Cielos gate, he started asking weird questions about the cars in the lots. Whitson had worked in Central America during the late 50s, close to the Folger Company's offices (Ecuador?). Winans was the one who coordinated the Tate-LaBianca killings. I read Chaos, and while O'Neill was unable to connect many dots, much of what he discovered was fascinating. ", Another one of Ed Sanders mysterious names with stories too interesting to be true, animal sacrifices, human sacrifices, porn movies filmed of the family at some Malibu mansion, Susan drinking blood and pooping on stairwells, Charlie biting through umbilical cord, blah, blah, blah, The Family is more a work of fiction than Lord of the Rings. pg201"Reeve was my main person to help me," PJ Tate said. My friend's father was an ACE pilot who could supply anything covert. Grim said"Ask yourself what it logically means to have "witnesses that vouch for Whitson's presence in the scene." Robertson was born in Manard, Muskogee County, Oklahoma, on August 3, 1920 [2] and attended Vanderbilt University before and after the war. The son of an actress and a circus acrobat, Whitson enters our story when Tom O'Neill has Whitson phone Hatami early that Saturday morning we all know so well before anyone else discovered the bodies up on Cielo. I wonder if some of you are so dismissive because your default position is to be skeptical, so you're not actually letting the information in. "ThanksMario George Nitrini 111-------The OJ Simpson Case. He didn't even want to leave prison.Imo, He racked up far more than enough of these activities to get sent backIn your opinion. I remember reading that Moorehouse molested his daughtersIf there's one thing I've come to realize in regard to TLB and other matters of such complexity that have attracted much thought, controversy, speculation and revision, it's that the phrase "I read somewhere" or "I remember reading/seeing somewhere" is one that is fraught with pitfalls because it's almost used as a barometer of the truth of the matter whereas in actuality, it could mean anything, something or nothing at all. That clears things up. That sounds like a made up name. The CIA are not nice guys. Reeve lived in 1935, at address, Indiana. He's never going to be executed but hopefully he will suffer a long painful death. I am in Chapter 6, when Reeve Whitson is just being introduced as the cryptic CIA agent "He used his thumbnail to tear the top-right-hand corner of every piece of paper he handled, to mark it. The Manson Family was certainly involved, but they were not the only ones. At the same time he was befriending CIA agent Reeve Whitson, Manson was also meeting with Charles Winans, an operative from Naval Intelligence. He was never convicted of anything that was deemed to be serious enough to have him put back in the years '67~'69. This contradicted Melchers testimony that after his May 1969 visit to Spahn Ranch he never saw Charlie again.I bring these last points up to show that ONeills book should be taken seriously for the information it contains from documents and from people close to the case. April or March, I don't remember the exact month Q:And was that the first time that you had spoken with this witness?A:YesQDid you direct that he be present at your office at a particular time?A:YesQ And how did you do so? Bums don't earn a living with a paying job, they just move from camp to camp and sponge off folks.If Moorehouse lived at Cielo Drive when Melcher was there, it's news to me. Or Sonny Reevwhit.Or Reevie Sonwhit. officials, KKK, Satanists, Dixie Mafia, Project Bluebird, and MKULTRA, Lookout Mt. ZLR 694 belonged to Sharon's CamaroI'm generally pretty unforgiving of errors in books and it's even more annoying when I happen to know the info that is wrong. When I went to The Fireside Inn that night to see him play his guitar & sing, there were 4 girls oowing & ahhhing with his every move. Yes he did but I was talking about at first I had always heard he actually came looking for Manson and when he found him at Spahn Charlie was able to run his game on Dean and supposedly Dean became a disciple even giving Charlie a baby grand piano for free which I believe Charlie traded for the black bus, what's creepy about Dean is that he was old even in 69, he was born in 1920 which made him damn near a decade and a half older than Manson and 30 years older than the other members of the group. I've been researching the activities of an old friend's father back in the Laurel Canyon days. He didn't even see him during the trial.Reeve Whitson could of course be the spook extraordinaire.but once again, what ends up happening is that theories abound because there are many people that just refuse to accept the verdict as it came down and go looking to find reasons why it must have happened. The next morning when he heard about the murders, he was worried his son was among them. Has anyone ever heard of it?According to the manuscript, Helder told Whitson to cozy up to anyone who knew Frykowskis suppliers, especially those in Mama Casss circle. Regarding Whitson's interest in sportscars, author Tom O'Neill wrote in his book Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA and the Secret History of the Sixties: One correction grimtraveller.When took Charles Mansonbt that "construction site," and later went to The Fireside Inn to hear him play & sing, I had just turned 18 years old, not 19 years old.Oh brother, these senior moments are becoming more & more frequent.GESHLOL Mario George Nitrini 111------The OJ Simpson Case. . He boasted about his activities in South America, for instance his involvement in the capture of Che Guevara . What can anyone remember about a place they went yesterday, and I mean detail specific ? Read up on their historyI'm in full agreement with you on this. Hopefully I can get on in the next couple of days. ", Lol "an impressive list of witnesses who vouch for him", all I see is one firmer film company president saying only "he knew about the Manson case", "Richard and Rita Edlund" whoever the fuck they were, Neil Cummings "a lawyer friend" of Whitsons (again WOW!! Whitson was a former CIA agent who had worked extensively in Latin America including Ecuador. You should have a read of it if you haven't already, with particular attention given to the testimiony of Terry Melcher and Dean Mooorehouse.That Moorehouse had been to Cielo while Melcher lived there in the summer of '68 is no secret. In a Rolling Stone article, Paul Krassner wrote, "I had hoped to get confirmation of the heaviest lead in my research. He lived in 1940, at address, Indiana. It came out in the Watson trial and it was Bugliosi that brought it out. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more. William Weston said "according to the Marie Vigil letters, the man who left the eyeglasses was Robert Linkletter. A little known fact is that Reeve Whitson was involved in the push to make a street legal version of the GT40, otherwise known as the Mark III GT40. That dude killed 50+ women and bargained for his life. I had high hopes when I read that O'Neil had spent twenty years researching the Manson murders, but the book reads like a confession of failure. "Hatami told me he has no memory at all of Manson coming to the front door of Cielo Drive, but that the memory was suggested to him by an investigator named Reeve Whitson, who worked for both Col. Paul Tate and the prosecutor Vince Bugliosi." The only reference to a Reeve Whitson online is to a CIA operative active in central America in the '80s. "pg203John Irvin, British film director: "Whitson had very good connections with the Los Angeles Sheriff's Office. Manson says the program was meant to "keep him out of jail." What is the general opinion of Robert Linkletter as a suspect? Who is he again ? Got a link? He could not have been there prior to the dinner engagement at the El Coyote, otherwise he would joined Sharon, Jay, Wojtek and Abigail.The time of departure to the restaurant is tied to the delivery of Abigails bicycle by Dennis Hurst. Virtually all of the info I've dug up about Whitson parallels what my friend remembers with the exception of Whitson's family ties. And, remember, I'm a skeptic who applied critical thinking to every claim in the book. Oddly, he frequently took his daughter with him on these flights. A.F.S., Colonia Dignidad, von Braun, Kissinger, Ruby, and Giancana are some of the major players. ONeal's lousy, undocumented conspiracy book?I actually learned it initially from Cielodrive.com. I'll research it and test it and weigh it up and shake it to bits ~ and I insist that people do likewise with what I say.Mon Durphy said Kay, I'd like to sit down in a bar one night and listen to some stories, he seems like a really nice guyI know what you mean about him, I kind of agree but, he definitely has had issues for almost half a century where Bugliosi is concerned Well grimtraveller,nice to see you're in top form being skeptical about me..lol.You say grim:"Well, the obvious question to me would be "why would he be talking about a race war to a complete stranger in January of 1969 ? ONeill interviewed Paul Tate, Sharons father, who said that Whitson was a friend of Roman, Sharon, and Jay. It's the inevitable outcome of the crypic utterances. Dr Paul Andrews, a CIA physician, woke up with permanent brain injuries without any physical infliction. Sorry but I just dont believe he was in that house before Winifred and the cops got there, it would have been front page news at the time, and if you're saying Whitson knew the murders were taking place and did nothing to stop them then he'd have been suspect #1, Couple more things after reading your post, why of all people would Whitson call Hatami about the murders first? Virtually all of the info I've dug up about Whitson parallels what my friend remembers with the exception of Whitson's family ties. The following book about the Nazis, published in 1961 shows this fact on page 1 where the title and name of Reeve Whitson appears. We don't the degree of his involvement or guilt. Their successors are illegal domestic NOCs at video game and social media suppliers, and APA handlers. I've used it myself. That makes absolutely no sense. According to Bugliosi, p. 85, the time was between 7:30 and 8:00. I actually have been checking in most days since May. Speaking of Dean Moorehouse at Cielo Drive, I thought the following quotes in Tom O'Neill's article "The Holes in Helter Skelter" show that he was indeed at the house but during the summer of 1968I think you'll find that it was at Dennis Wilson's that Dean had some kind of residence during the summer of '68. I traced Whitson online. I'm not getting that from Helter Skelter, I'm getting that from Candace Bergen's auto-bio. Whitson and Bugliosi then coerced Hatami's testimony by threatening him with deportation. "Not every detail in "Helter Skelter" is correct. Since Reeve was a CIA agent posing as a hippie, he would have been among the hippies in the van. It didn't seem to be a secret when it should have been A search of Whitson's extended acrobatic family shows a connection with the OSS, and CIA in their foreign travels with the USO. The Manson Family Blog - Tate LaBianca Murders - TLB - True Crime The FBI files tell a clear . His daughter is a Bluebird survivor and her memories are returning in fractured pieces. Perhaps Manson thought he could recruit me at some point?Who knows?But I will tell you this. Grim said Another, more serious, error in HS, p. 49, is that it gives the license plate of Parent's car as ZLR 694. I can imagine him being scared shitless, looking out of a window, realizing something VERY bad was going down, and just shutting down. O'Neill said he got his copy of the book from another journalist. But it was in those early days of '69 that it began to assume a definite shape and that the rest of the Family began to understand and assimilate it {well, as much as they did understand and assimilate it}. Mon Durphy said"Winifred testified that the flag was on the couch THE DAYS LEADING UP TO THE MURDERS AND THE DAY OF"Where did she say that? The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Reeve Whitson They destroyed thousands of pieces of evidence, RFK Jr. stated.And these are the people we entrusted to get to the bottom of the TLB case. Also God bless Steven Kay because I think he's a true advocate for victims he does tend to exaggerate things, Susan killed Sharon, Manson read Nietzsche all the time, dogs ate before people, etc, etc and on the claims of Melcher being at Barker after the murders look at the source, Danny DeCarlo, one of the biggest lying scumbag pieces of shit to ever come down the pike, This whole ONeill book thing is a collection of tin hat conspiracy bullshit timed PERFECTLY to be released within months of the 50th anniversary and the release of the Tarantino, the only "facts" in it are what has already been public knowledge for decades. Being arrested is not an offence let alone proof of guilt, let alone a conviction. John Irvin interview THE FLASHBACK FILES What ONeill said was that Whitsons name appeared four times, all during Hatamis testimony. When you have what Hatami testified and what Bugliosi testified regarding Hatamis testimony and gather these statements together under the aggregate phrase Hatamis testimony, then you can see that ONeill was not careless in how he represented his source. He got a call from Reeve Whitson at 7:00 in the morning, a full NINETY minutes before Winifred Chapman arrived at the Cielo house. I have a really good memory because I have OCD, the only good gift from my diagnosis. And for my legal reasons and MORE, I comment & blog a certain wayThat's kind of neither here nor there. She knew that the others were making fun of the flag, of the establishment. It's almost inevitable, however, even if only in a small way but I get wary eventually, if I find myself saying the same thing again and again.Incidentally, big thanks to you for mentioning the "Inside the Manson jury" book by Herman Tubick. What mystery within a mystery gnaws at you the most? : r - Reddit PDF Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties They weren't even in the same vicinity while True lived at the house next door.And personally, I wouldn't read O'Neill's book unless someone bought it for me and gave it to me. But again, nobody saw him. ONeill interviewed Hatami who said that Bugliosi knew Reeve very wellHow would Hatami, who met Bugliosi only a couple of times, and on official business {ID photos, trial} know who Bugliosi knew, well or otherwise ?Hatami also told ONeill that he first heard about the murders from Reeve. Ruth Wilson Left The Affair Because She Didn't Feel Safe - Screen Rant This cannot be correct. I don't know if it's a typo or just laziness. (as well as Cointelpro and CHAOS agents provocateurs). It came with the house. He's mentioned in the trial, and was known to have worked with Paul Tate post murders. Maybe Whit Reeveson is like an imaginary friend. Reeve Whitson, Tom O'Neill's Masterpiece CHAOS, and Difficult - YouTube Oddly, he frequently took his daughter with him on these flights. He gave him a piano. View the profiles of people named Reeve Whitson on Facebook. Folger, a former air intel officer in WWII, still kept close ties to the government. How did O'Neill get the transcript to the book, I heard Debra had it? Sheilah nodded. Ill bet Sanders is correct. He told and then showed where a lot of missing women were. Except there was this one dude, Reeve Whitson, who is alleged to have known about the killings at the Tate residence before the police. I have the trial transcripts and Rudi Altobelli confirms the dates of who moved in and out and when and who was in the main and guest houses between Melcher's departure and the Polanskis arrival. William "Rip" Robertson - Wikipedia So he proved his willingness to collude with the Feds. I'm currently reading it and it is fantastic, notwithstanding the spelling and punctuation errors and wrong dates here and there. 'Nuff said.Melcher moved out of Cielo Drive in December of 1968. I can't say if that means anything with regard to conspiracy or governmental involvement, but parole violations require neither crime nor conviction. Took me 20 years but I wrote a book about what y'all know as - Reddit According to Bobby Jameson on his blog, he and his friend Harvey Dareff were at or near the Tate house the night before the murders. To keep it short, there was a CIA agent named Reeve Whitson in the Tate-Polanski circle who might have been known to the Manson family as well. I can't believe people are trashing O'Neill's book. They weren't there particularly long and so people trying to weave the "someone rearranged the scene afterwards" line of thought is onto a loser if they try to utilize the memories of the killers and how they left the scene. . I found Whitson to be the most interesting of the characters that O'Neill presented. She didn't go along with it, but she felt it might hurt them if she took it away. Some people have a fairly good memory recall; of the death troupe, Susan & Linda seemed to. I wouldn't believe a word that came out of his mouth. He was connected with Nazis, top US Gov. When he said it, it seemed credible. Bugliosi wrote that it was after Melcher moved out, meaning in January 1969.I found Moorehouse in the phone book and gave him a call. This is the first time Whitson comes up during Hatami's period under oath;BUGLIOSI: Do you recall coming into my office, Mr. Hatami, about a half a year ago?A:YesQ:On the fifth floor of the Hall of Justice?A:I don't remember the floor. The purpose behind the plot was to incite terror among white people and put the blame on black radicals. He also confirmed a detail from Ed Sanders' "The Family" that Melcher had let him borrow his Jaguar for the long drive to UkiahThis might be high tension wire drama.were it not for the fact that this has been public record since 1971. According to Sanders, p. 197, Hurst came between 6:30 and 7:00. But his daughters ? L`L,3`v]fUn,^/ {N n^{a "2d`5`,/ f30ul#9@ o+ Regardless, most of the info on my friend's father matches the info on Whitson. Chapter 6 - Who Was Reeve Whitson? by Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA As I have indicated on an earlier thread, according to the Marie Vigil letters, the man who left the eyeglasses was Robert Linkletter. Shahrokh Hatami, Tate's personal photographer, admits to O'Neill that he learned of the murders by telephone, from an intelligence agent named Reeve Whitson, ninety minutes before the police were even called to the scene. But a lot of people only see what they want to see and if they don't want to see the truth because they don't like it then they won't see it. That said, in some cases it's understandable.In the case of Bugliosi's book, the errors regarding the Hearst bike delivery times and the Parent/Sharon car registrations aren't ones that I regard as serious. William I think Doris saw that flag on the couch a couple of days before the murders. In fact, did he even mention the Family ? Well Grim, your fan club is calling. Shortly after his arrival, the town became the epicenter of a shocking event that almost wrecked the Democratic Party's effort to win back the White House.

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